I posted here about how the so-called "cease-fire" between Israel and the Palestinian Authority was meaningless, because the main Palestinian terrorist groups, like Hamas, rejected it.
And I posted here about how Lebanese terror group Hizbullah was stepping into the gap left by the PA by funding Palestinian suicide bombers on its own.
Now, the Associated Press reports, these two factors have combined to produce a new Palestinian suicide bombing outside a Tel Aviv nightclub. Four Israelis were killed and dozens were wounded:
TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) - A Palestinian suicide bomber carrying 20 pounds of explosives blew himself up in a crowd of young Israelis waiting outside a nightclub near Tel Aviv's beachfront promenade just before midnight Friday, killing at least four other people, wounding dozens and shattering an informal Mideast truce.Israeli officials have said they won't let this latest little act of murder and bloodshed derail the all-important "peace process". But peace isn't a process; it's a condition. And when Palestinians feel free to blow themselves up amid throngs of young Israelis, it's conspicuously absent.
A senior commander of a Palestinian militant group, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah, which is funded by Iran and has been trying to disrupt the cease-fire, hired a Palestinian from the northern West Bank to carry out the bombing. Palestinian security officials also implicated Hezbollah.
With peace like this, who needs war?
FOLLOW-UP:
It will be interesting to see whether the suicide bomber was one of the hundreds of Palestinian prisoners Israel recently freed as a goodwill gesture to Abbas.
5 comments:
you always suggest peace won't work, but never come out with any solution or opinion of how the situation can be addressed. What can be done? Do you think a Palestinian state should not be made? Do you think the settlers who are being forced to move, shouldn't move? You have said before if Israel doesn't defend itself they would be destroyed by enemies. Well do you think a Palestinian State would not solve anything because so many want to see Israel gone from the Mid East? That giving into the varioius pressures to make a peace has made Israel weak and giving away land won't be the beginning of anything. That if and when a Palestinian state happens, that all these groups, terrorist groups will betray Israel out a an extreme desire to destroy her no matter the olive branches offered by the Israeli government and her people?
This can be the most important events since the sixties for Israel, what is to be lost by trying for a peace? Your point about there it's a condition is very true. But a process would seem to be the workings painful as they may be to achieve this condition. So they try to not let violence ruin the good will that they are striving for. I know I have gone over board with emotion on these subjects in the past but I'd honestly like to hear your opinion. Not just your crowing about the latest attrocities committed by enemies to Israel. And just so you know I hate that those terrorist are trying to kill the peace process.
Posted by fasteddie
"It will be interesting to see whether the suicide bomber was one of the hundreds of Palestinian prisoners Israel recently freed as a goodwill gesture to Abbas."
That is a great point actually.
"but never come out with any solution or opinion of how the situation can be addressed."
Instead of negotiating with the terrorist, disarm them.
"Do you think a Palestinian state should not be made?"
Only if they prove themselves not to be setting up a terrorist state the way Arafat was trying to. Most of the terrorist organizatins just see this as a step to destroying Israel. Already the Palestinians are trying to buy military equipement Russia. What do you think they want to do with that?
"Well do you think a Palestinian State would not solve anything because so many want to see Israel gone from the Mid East?"
There is a good chance that is the case.
"That if and when a Palestinian state happens, that all these groups, terrorist groups will betray Israel out a an extreme desire to destroy her no matter the olive branches offered by the Israeli government and her people?"
Have you heard any of these terrorist organizations say anything but? They are very open about there goals for those that are willing to listen.
"This can be the most important events since the sixties for Israel, what is to be lost by trying for a peace?"
More Jewish lives. In an extreme case possibly all of Israel if the terrorist have there way. I suggest you look at the polls from the region. Something like 75% have no problem with the attacks on Israel (I don't think the numbers have changed much in the recent past).
Posted by gindy
Well you're lack of comments, and your original statement it's clear you don't want peace. You keep ridiculing the "peace process" Trying to link Abbas to Lebannon terrorist organizations in past posts. Just so we see the score correctly. You are not objective about the Israeli/Palestinian problem because you clearly value Jewish lives over Arabs. Both sides demonize the other, it's no wonder that the "peace process" has been so long coming. You don't believe "peace process" is a definition for something trying to be accomplished. You deny that over 4 years of people dying on both sides is a "cycle of violence." You don't acknowledge reality.
Are you too weak to admit here in you post what you think should happen? If you don't think land should be given back say it, and explain it to someone neither Arab nor Jew, just a person interested in seeing needless death end. Explain how the PA will never stop attacking Israel even if the Israeli government gave them everything they wanted. Is this what you believe? Because perhaps it's true. But all I get from you is your hate of Palestinians. No I don't live in the Mid East, I live in Tokyo, so there is the distance where I can make objective comments. You sound like your brother got blown up by a terrorist and you know in your heart peace will never work, because you will never let it. Vengence not solutions. The leaders are now commited to peace so that they will try to not let, the latest murders stop it.
You don't move forward, just continue your constant one sided listing of Palestinian crimes. The Palestinians number millions, the problem of their degradation, will not go away. Real solutions must be made, yet all you do is constanly display your bigotted thoughts. This is a comment that comes with desire for what is best for everyone there, not just the Jews. Just so it is clear. I have little respect for someone like you who is obviously for unending war. Who mocks something better trying to be done.
Posted by fasteddie
"Well you're lack of comments, and your original statement it's clear you don't want peace. You keep ridiculing the "peace process" Trying to link Abbas to Lebannon terrorist organizations in past posts. Just so we see the score correctly. You are not objective about the Israeli/Palestinian problem because you clearly value Jewish lives over Arabs. Both sides demonize the other, it's no wonder that the "peace process" has been so long coming. You don't believe "peace process" is a definition for something trying to be accomplished. You deny that over 4 years of people dying on both sides is a "cycle of violence." You don't acknowledge reality. Just so we see the score correctly. You are not objective about the Israeli/Palestinian problem because you clearly value Jewish lives over Arabs. Both sides demonize the other, it's no wonder that the "peace process" has been so long coming. You don't believe "peace process" is a definition for something trying to be accomplished. You deny that over 4 years of people dying on both sides is a "cycle of violence." You don't acknowledge reality.
FastEddie:
What you are saying, that the author of this blog doesn't want peace, is a pretty outrageous assertion, and one that is far less in touch with reality than Gaijin Biker's assessment of the chances for a Palestinian-Israeli truce.
What many supporters of Israel want, and I can only suppose from what I've read of GB's writings that he might also want this, is an agreement that has two basic components (the first of which is predicated upon the second):
1) That the Palestinian Authority (PA) is entering into said agreement in good faith -- that is, they there is no disconnect between the "walk" and the "talk";
and
2) That the Palestinian Authority is able to control the terroist elements within: Fatah, Al Aksa Martyrs Brigades, Hamas, etc., ad infinitim.
Neither of these components have been borne out in the past, and judging by the post-peace agreement suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, it is not borne out at present. A PA that is not able to guarantee the stand-down of their "terrorist fringe", if you will, has no business entering into a peace agreement. In what way is this not a common sense conclusion?
Either the PA is choosing to pretend that it does not control these groups, or it cannot admit that it has no power over the community they claim to represent. Therfore, any participation made by the PA must be viewed as incompetent.
If the PA would admit it can't contol the terrists in its' midst, then Israel and her supporters would take the PA's stated desire for peace seriously. But the PA doesn't do this: it makes agreements it doesn't have the power to keep. For people who judge others based on actions rather than words (and I count myself among them) become perpetual skeptics of anything having to do with Palestinians and the PA. This is not the same as not wanting peace.
What we want is a peace that is real, backed up by honest and competent participation in the peace process. That is a situation that at present does not exist, and any person that pretends otherwise is far less in touch with reality than our host, GB.
Posted by Sharon
Outrageous yes, but true? Two sepaate things. I've just connected the dots from other things GB has said. using logic and intuition since GB has taken such offense at my harsh comments before, and is too anal* to defend himself in open debate. His right. After all it is possible to be wrong about things, anyone can be. Myself included.
GB has been wrong about somethings, but not all that often. What he is good at is taking some story from another blog, or media source and totally ripping it up, but he can't stand up to harsh criticism himself. When he is wrong he rationalizes like most people.
As far as I know GB doesn't delete stuff he's written or other people have written, so I admire his sense of fairness that he doesn't censor. But if you go read his other Palestinian bashing posts you will find hatred for them. To be fair, I did find one instance where he said "it's great that Sharon and Abbas are making progress" So I guess that refutes my whole point? Not exactly, his other posts have all been cynical and one sided, and clearly side with Israeli innocence in all things, and Palestinian's evilness in implied. His value of Palestinian lives has been warped by the fact that his tribal group, the Jews, are in constant state of siege by many quarters. How to broker a peace while fighting for survival? Certainly his statements have mostly been disbelieving the of the peace process, and if I can find his post he said there is no such thing as a cycle of violence in Israel. (maybe he did delete it. I haven't been able to find it again, but give the benefit of the doubt that I will.)
But you amaze me that you are able to read his mind, and speak for the two of you. You are from N.Y. and are Jewish too Sharon? And as far as "competent participation" as you call it, Ariel Sharon in the middle, ready to compromise will have to disarm and forcebly remove some of the Jewish settlers in the annexed land that will be given to the PA.
*just one example of GB's highly anal way of thinking. He told you one time don't tell spoilers "Sharon" about the movie Barcelona. give me a break a movie that came out in the eighties? Who cares.
Posted by fasteddie
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