The Seattle Times reports that former Army Sgt. Erik R. Saar has written a manuscript revealing some of the hideous torture techniques used by the dastardly American military when interrogating prisoners at the Guantánamo Bay prison camp:
The female interrogator wanted to "break him"... she removed her uniform top to expose a tight-fitting T-shirt and began taunting the detainee, touching her breasts, rubbing them against the prisoner's back and commenting on his apparent erection.Other cruel tactics include a female civilian contractor with "a special outfit that included a miniskirt and thong underwear during late-night interrogations" and a guard who "took off her uniform top, ran her fingers through a detainee's hair and sat on his lap."
Uh, so what exactly do I have to do to get sent to Gitmo?
14 comments:
Well, it's kind of a consolation prize for missing out on the 72 virgins, eh? If you are only captured for Allah, instead of killed, say.
Posted by a guy in pajamas
yes and you probably think date rape of co-ed's is a-okay too.
still almost have to laugh. I suppose sexual teasing, then the harder techniques mixed in makes it all okay? sugar with the medicine.
Posted by fasteddie
Fasteddie, I appreciate that you read and comment on the posts here a lot, but I really think you need to lighten up. I'm serious.
Posted by GaijinBiker
Fast Eddie: In the spirit of remaining light-hearted, which was -- of course -- our Host's intent, I will make but one point to you: In order for your analogy ("yes and you probably think date rape of co-ed's is a-okay too.") to fit into the framework of logical reasoning (and I'll admit that it's a stretch to even attempt such a manipulation), the Detainee has to have been subjected to an act of violence for
which there is absolutely no enjoyment (psychological or physiological manifestation of pleasure). Quite simply, these men were humiliated. Not by the women themselves, but rather by their own physical response to their female captors' ... ahem ... "ministrations".
Islam, in a way that makes the Catholic Church's condemnation of female s*xuality seem almost quaint (I'm not spelling out those words completely, GaijinBiker, b/c I fear google hits from perverts looking for "t*rt*re P**n, lol), has rendered these men completely unable to exist as normal men. Normal men think this sort of thing to be the equivalent of a vacation. That's how it should be too, bless their depraved little hearts!
Posted by Sharon
ummm I smiled, but it's a kind of funny I don't get into too much: sadism. Let me give you an example. I watch Chris Rock,and laugh my ass off. Don't have to agree with him on everything, but he's funny. That news article is a little funny though.
In 1999 I lived on Capital hill here in Seattle and grabbed a cam corder and went to see what the WTO riots were about. I interviewed WTO delegates, I talked to extreme liberal's against the WTO, I walked through a group of about forty cops(maybe less) steady cam style and videod them, all dressed in riot gear as they stood quietly around the corner of the Westin Hotel. They all looked at me but didn't say anything. Out front a bunch of student protestors had "chained" themselves blocking the entrance. President Clinton had stayed the night before. And now there was a deadline that once past all the arm linked and hushed protestors would be arrested. Quite the build up of drama. Equal but differant then the drama of seeing rocks and tear gas cannisters being thrown back at the cops down on first ave, by the Pike Place Market by anarchists, or the mass sit in the middle of the street on third and Union earlier in the day.
In my neighborhood of Capital Hill, The night before I got smacked up against the window of Jack in the Box by three riot gear cops for video taping them marching north up Broadway. In my neighborhood where there was no curfew, I wasn't breaking any laws, just standing videotaping on the sidewalk. The cops shouted "RUN!" I shouted back "I'm not a protestor, don't arrest ME! I live here!" The cop said "too late" then BAM. smacked against the window while people inside watched in amazement. Then they left me like a fish not big enough and the whole block wide line of cops kept marching down the street smacking their batons and firing off flash bangs, with not a protestor in sight.(five days later, it was reported that the city was unhappy about too much non-lethal munitions being used, that stuff is expensive.)
I videotaped and interviewed anarchist with masks covering their faces, railing against our "evil government and corporations" many had broke windows in Niketown and Starbucks.
I chatted with a blowed dried news reporter for King 5, she wasn't too bright, she thought the bottles of water that some of the anarchist had might be Molotov cocktails. I pointed out that they were filled with water to rinse tear gas out of the eyes.
I traded notes with an ABC News cameraman. I snuck in past the cops near the convention center and interviewed more delegates. I watched an independant media talk show being produced with lawyers who were there to bail out the protestors.
For three days, the main event days, the most eventful for me being day two when many citizen-non- protestors got really pissed off at the cops for invading their peaceful neighborhood and going overboard, then the aftermath day, with the mini standoff by a large group of squatter anarchist from Oregon,in an abandoned condo. I didn't need Seattle's famous coffee to stay wired, some history was happening in front of my eyes. The whole time I only lost my humor once.
At the Indy Media center on Second downtown centrally located to all the action, some guy had gotten great footage of day one activity: A bunch of protestors blocked the main north entrance to the the convention center, well dressed, respectful looking delegates tried to pass to get inside, the protestors shouted insults at them and roughly pushed them back and forth. I was standing with a group of people watching the fresh footage of delegates being bullied and frightened, the group all laughed. They couldn't stop laughing. They didn't notice but I didn't join in. In fact I was mildly unhappy I was standing with them. They had seemed so dedicated and righteous just moments before.
I went home and had some pizza, watched some King 5 then my room mate and I went out again and witnessed more history unfolding. No one got killed, it was all pretty wild, and the funniest guy I met was a charimatic jolly delegate from India who called Clinton "a fucker". I love politics: entertainment with consequences. But not everything can be funny, especially with things today, stakes so high.
Posted by fasteddie
[rolls his eyes at the above post]
-frank
Posted by Frank/NYC
That bad huh? well mr biker here while standing for many commendable things, doesn't get it, if your way is the right one, there is no reason to okay sadistic treatment of fellow humans. War may be necessary, but sadistic treatment, of prisoners, is not. All my story was saying is I don't endorse human suffering, don't be a fucking hypercrite. Don't devalue "freedom" by treating opponents to it as sub humanly. It just damages the credibiliy of what's trying to be accomplished. It makes us equal to the terrorist.
Posted by fasteddie
Nobody here is sanctioning sadism, fasteddie. The comments are a joke, one you don't like. There's no accounting for taste, eh? Yours or mine.
I agree prisoner abuse is wrong, that it should be punished, and that it damages our credibility. But until we make torturing our captured enemies to death a public policy, start cutting off civilians' heads with knives for television broadcasts, intentionally blowing up non-combatants, trying to destroy any hope of freedom for an entire nation, etc., we aren't even close to being down at the level of the terrorists. People that run around saying things like that are damaging our credibility as well.
Posted by a guy in pajamas
what people running around saying it? Like the whistle blowers who released the pictures, like judge who has ruled what's going on unconstitutional. Point taken, you are right the terrorist are clearly worse. Still doesn't excuse the fact what Bush has signed off on in Guantamano is wrong. Don't have to be a constitutional expert to know that. People's rights have been violated, and are still being violated. It feeds the terrorists. Anything to take away fuel for their motivation is a good thing, no?
I hope what Bush has achieved recently for the Iraqi people can be something that bulds into what is something good. I am pleased to say there is fair reason to be optimistic, at least for me it appears so. I have strongly voiced my doubts that it could work, but will glady embrace a success in Iraq, and admit I was wrong. (I am curious to how unshakable Bush haters can spin a victory in Iraq. I have hated Bush but am not a spinner, a victory is a victory, I will wait to what happens next.)
There is still much to be accomplished and reforming Guantamano, and not allowing prisoner abuse and torture to happen as it has in the last few years should be stopped. It would be to everyone's benefit. Sorry if it's such a bee in my bonnet: Human Right's. Bush is a Christian, Christian's believe in human rights. No?
Posted by fasteddie
what people running around saying it? Like the whistle blowers who released the pictures, like judge who has ruled what's going on unconstitutional. Point taken, you are right the terrorist are clearly worse. Still doesn't excuse the fact what Bush has signed off on in Guantamano is wrong. Don't have to be a constitutional expert to know that. People's rights have been violated, and are still being violated. It feeds the terrorists. Anything to take away fuel for their motivation is a good thing, no?
I hope what Bush has achieved recently for the Iraqi people can be something that bulds into what is something good. I am pleased to say there is fair reason to be optimistic, at least for me it appears so. I have strongly voiced my doubts that it could work, but will glady embrace a success in Iraq, and admit I was wrong. (I am curious to how unshakable Bush haters can spin a victory in Iraq. I have hated Bush but am not a spinner, a victory is a victory, I will wait to see what happens next.)
There is still much to be accomplished and reforming Guantamano, and not allowing prisoner abuse and torture to happen as it has in the last few years should be stopped. It would be to everyone's benefit. Sorry if it's such a bee in my bonnet: Human Right's. Bush is a Christian, Christian's believe in human rights. No?
Posted by fasteddie
If a female interrogator saves the life of one soldier by rubbing her breasts in plain view of a sadist who would rather blow her head off if given half a chance, I say "Go for it".
Sure some might call it sadistic, but why quibble over such horrific torture as this? I'm sure the international anti-torture watchdogs would gladly pull their myopic gaze back to Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Mexico, Panama, Saudi Arabia, and other such places, once Gitmo is purged of the horrible actions taking place there. I mean, flashings are pretty horrible, aren't they?
We Americans sure are monsters. What next, let them pray when they're supposed to? Oh wait, we already do that. I know, let's give them their holy books! Wait, we do that as well. Darnit!
So, fasteddie, what should we do to get information from terrorists? Ask them nicely? Say please? I say let the golden rule apply to them, but with a twist; treat them as they would treat us. Torture them. Make them scream for their mommies. Make them beg. But most of all, don't give them the horriffic boobie torture. Wouldn't want to be called sadists, now, would we?
"I don't endorse human suffering, don't be a fucking hypercrite. Don't devalue "freedom" by treating opponents to it as sub humanly."
An erection makes them sub-human? Looks like I'm in the same boat, I get them every day. Then again, I don't call it suffering. I kinda like them, no offence to the female readers. Besides, it's all their fault anyways. So are the women making me a sub-human? Who can I complain to! I want satisfaction! Wait, that might be part of the problem...
Honestly now, how would you go about getting information from them, fasteddie?
Posted by Kresh
fasteddie: "what people running around saying it? Like the whistle blowers who released the pictures, like judge who has ruled what's going on unconstitutional."
No, I meant people running around saying the crimes at Abu Ghraib, etc., make us the same as the terrorists. As we agreed, we are clearly not down at their level.
I fully support the soldiers who reported misconduct at Abu Ghraib, etc. They did the right thing.
Posted by a guy in pajamas
"I say let the golden rule apply to them, but with a twist; treat them as they would treat us. Torture them. Make them scream for their mommies. Make them beg. But most of all, don't give them the horriffic boobie torture. Wouldn't want to be called sadists, now, would we?" Don't know what to say to that. If sexual arousal and conjugal visits with American women dedicated to Truth, Justice and the American way is all it is, I guess fine. But that's not the whole story is it?
I tire of the debate. All this will be forgotten if Iraq is a success. I think it shouldn't be forgotten, I think it should be changed. I say the American way should be of the highest standards in everything, including ethical treatment of prisoners. Idealism wrapped in pragmatism.
As far as Iran, North Korea. I don't have a voice in their government, but have an interest in my countries policies. I've made a pardigm shift, sucess in Iraq gives us credibiliy for the future of foreign policy, I'm changing my opinion of Bush, but still critical, I'm not a true believer, I lean to left of center and have strongly criticised the war, taken with a grain of salt I could be wrong about everything, including my reactionary digust at our treatment of prisoners.
'If a female interrogator saves the life of one soldier by rubbing her breasts in plain view of a sadist who would rather blow her head off if given half a chance, I say "Go for it".' it might sound reasonable to you, but to the extreme Muslim, who's stuck in the seventh century mentality, hears about this and it gives them more reason to kill an American soldier, based on their extreme views taken from the Qur'an. I think perhaps it would. But I'm not an expert on that. I just will restate: Anything to take away fuel for their(the terrorist's) motivation is a good thing, no?
lastly hypothetically if there is a terrorist in custody who knows of a ticking nuke about to go off, by all means, have sex, give em money, torture them. But who's to say any or all insurgents, terrorist, political extremist don't have that information, shouldn't we torture them all just in case? Well I say no.
Really I am thinking of prisoners rights, and the chance that us taking the higher road contributes a little to help in the bigger picture of: multitudes of young men wanting attack the U.S. for irrational reasons. Right, might and diplomacy seems to be what is needed.
Posted by fasteddie
god, why can't I edit? and spellign yikes. I mean of course help difuse making terrorist in the first place.
Posted by fasteddie
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